Overwintering Update – A year in the life of my first AZ hive

I haven’t been doing as well updating my experiences using the AZ hive as I had hoped. But I do want to provide an update on how my first year using the hive went.

My AŽ hive

The Good

During the first year, I was able to experiment with how the hive worked and some things that are maybe unique or at least more feasible to do in an AZ hive than in a Langstroth. I started the hive by adding a captured swarm to the bottom compartment and they did exactly what you would hope and began quickly drawing out combs. Having a few “pre started” combs from the langstroth hives was a big boost as well. A bit later in the spring I received a call about a smaller swarm and decided to really do an experiment and hive that swarm in the top compartment of the hive- creating a two queen hive. I do believe this is probably easier to do in an AZ hive as there are not as many and as drastic of manipulations to the hive as trying to maintain separation for two queens in a langstroth hive. The two queen system was quite easy in the AZ. I simply put a queen excluder both above and below the 2nd chamber. This allowed the two brood nests to develop in the top and bottom chambers and a shared workforce to draw combs and store honey in the middle chamber. The results were great. The bees drew out all 33 deep combs and I even harvested about 60 pounds of honey from the hive. At the end of the clover nectar flow, I removed the queen from the top chamber and made a split into a AZ nuc that I designed.

After the success using a two queen system during the nectar flow, I was interested to explore the possibility of overwintering two colonies in one AZ hive. I was leery of failing and losing two good colonies of bees so I compromised by trying to see how the colony would do overwintering in a single chamber. At the end colof the fall nectar flow last year, I began to reduce the colony’s size down to the single chamber. As the brood nest size reduced in fall, I replaced empty combs in the bottom chamber with honey filled frames from the middle chamber. I ended up giving the bees six frames of honey (3 on each end). I also kept 3 or 4 additional honey frames in reserve and have wove those in during the early spring this year. Our winter has been extremely mild this year, I’m convinved that is actually harder for the bees as they are exerting more energy looking for forage that isn’t there. At any rate, the 6 frames of honey on it’s own would be cutting it really close- I’m glad I kept the extra reserve frames for insurance. As spring progresses, I will still need to keep a close eye on their stores and feed syrup if necessary. Things are looking promising on the one chamber overwintering- if this ends up working, I could logically progress to overwintering two colonies in two separate chambers during next winter’s experiment. As noted, this will probably require a bit of food management, but I think there could be several advantages to overwintering colonies together like this. First- the bees will “share” the heating bill. It’s no surprise the nuc producers utilize double screen boards to share heat between established and growing colonies; so why not leverage that across the entire winter. Another advantage (and this could be a big one with proper hive management) is that allowing both colonies to build up in spring and then split the queens out prior to swarming would result in a massive hive that was poised to capitalize on the spring nectar flows. In my area the black locust flow is a big one (and delicious honey as well) that can be difficult to capitalize on. Many beekepers can miss out on this bounty because their hive has recently swarmed and people can also miss out on the full potential with out supers of drawn comb.

I also found it very appealing to work in a system that didn’t involve lifting heavy boxes to inspect the hive. The chambered system let me check on honey stores without disturbing the brood nest and vice-versa. I did find the frame stand to be a useful tool to hold frames while inspecting as well as to transport frames to the extractor. The hive stand that I started my hive on last year was designed for langstroth hives and turned out to be a little lower than ideal for looking into the bottom chamber of the AZ hive. This year I have built a beehouse type stand specific for my AZ hives and specifically designed it so that the bottom chamber is right shoulder level when I sitting on a stool or bucket.

New AŽ hive stand/bee house. Provides a taller platform to inspect and more insulation.

Another thing that I liked about the AZ hive is the temperament of the bees. I do believe that they are much easier to work from a hive that opens from the back. It’s just a lot less disturbance to the bees and they react accordingly. Only time will tell if this has just been a calmer hive or if the hive setup makes the difference. I suspect it is probably a combination, but I am optimistic that overall using these back opening hives will prove to be easier on the bees and the beekeeper as well.

The Bad

There are a couple of things that were a little tougher with AZ hives. Small hive beetles (which don’t yet exist in Slovenia) and propolis.

The apiary where I started my AZ hive does seem to have more small hive beetles than my other bee yards and this past summer seemed to be particularly rough with beetles. However, I definetly noticed that the nooks and crannies available in the AZ hive seemed quite attractive to the hive beetles. I often found dozen of them hanging out on the back side of the inner doors or scurrying under the screened floor when I opened the door and removed the foam plug. Much like the top of the inner cover of a langstroth hive, these spaces seemed to provide the beetles a nice refuge from the bees. All of the methods for trapping small hive beetles worked just as they do in a langstroth hive- I just think that theres some added potential for a small hive beetle problem in this hive since there is so much space for the beetles to escape into. Although all of the conventional beetle traps work, I will note that that the swiffer sheets were easiest additions to use for me. I simply set these on top of the frames and changed out at each inspection. The beetle jail traps worked as well, but the bees really liked to propolize these shut- often before they could catch any beetles. If you are inclined to use these style of beetle control- I would highly suggest the variety with “hooks” to hold onto the frame. In the AZ hive you aren’t adding and taking away from the top of the frames (as in a langstroth hive)- you are working from the back. The hooks provide a much more stable method of working with the traps in the AZ hive configuration.

I doubt propolis is any more prevalent in the AZ hive than any other hive, but it does have a somewhat greater effect than in a langstroth hive where you can vigorously scrape it away from the frames and hive bodies. The inner doors are the most precarious. The bees propolize the spaces around the doors and removal requires a delicate patience. It’s not impossible at all, but the technique is different and certainly involves a bit of a learning curve. I’ve read of some slovenian beekeepers omitting the inner doors altogether and simply pushing the foam plug directly against the frames. I can see how this could work- but I doubt that I will try it, as I like the idea of keeping frames lined up using frame spacers on both ends of the frames that are provided with inner doors. I will say, for those considering an AZ hive in the United States; after only a year of use in the AZ hive- please DO NOT buy into any AZ system that claims to use conventional langstroth frames in an AZ system. It’s ok (what I use) to use LANGSTROTH SIZED AZ frames- but the coved top and bottom bars are absolutely critical to the AZ hive. A flat langstroth frame would be too much surface area and the bees would glue it all into a distratrous mess. Even though I have never directly tried these hives using langstroth frames in an AZ hive; between my brief experience with the hive and many, many comments in online groups I can concur that beekeepers looking to try an AZ hive will want to avoid these.

I once read that there is no perfect beehive waiting to be developed and that makes a lot of sense. Although there are many upsides to the AZ hive, there are some drawbacks. The system may not be for everyone, but I’ve enjoyed my first year enough to build a small bee house type stand and commit to expand my AZ hive footprint from one hive to three in the coming year.

AZ hive project- February progress

All posts on this project

Work continues on my AZ hive project. In an AZ hive the frame sit on steel rods as opposed to hanging by ears in the langstroth frame. The steel rods fit into grooves that I routed into the sides of the hive body. They are 3/8″ rods which provides the appropriate bee space between the stories in the hive. The rods were pretty easy to fit into the hive, I simply got 3/8″ steel stock from home depot and cut them to length and then slid them righ into the grooves in the hive. I am really interested to see how this system will work out!

Cutting the steel rods
Rods installed in the hive body

The next step is to build the inner doors. In the AZ there are a set of inner doors, one at each section of the hive. These can be a very simple door- which is how I have made the doors for the middle and top sections. The doors for these sections are simply a frame of wood with screen and frame spacers attached to the inner facing side. I bought an inexpensive pocket hole jig from Amazon and this was very helpful in assembling these inner doors. The spacers help to keep the frames aligned while they are resting on the steel support bars. There are two spacers (one upper and one lower) on the front face of the hive body (see photo above) as well as on the inner door for each section in the hive.

Making pocket holes to assemble the frames of the inner doors
Picture of the top and middle screen installed

I am looking to add a feeder in the inner door of the bottom section so the design will be more complex. Although if i can come up with something good it will be really convenient. This would allow you to change the feed for bees without opening the hive at all. The disturbance of feeding would be minimal to the hive. I’m hoping to come up with a good design that will allow me to feed syrup in jars or water bottles through a modified inner door. Working on this design and build as well as a screened varroa board to go under the bottom section of steel rods are the next steps in my project

I am really enjoying this project so far and I’m quite excited to see how this hive design works in action.

AZ Hive Design and Hive body construction

Despite being intrigued by the AZ hive for some time, it took me a long time to understand the ins and outs of a beehive enough to realistically attempt to deviate from the langstroth hive that i started with and that nearly everyone else around me also uses. I think it is really important to get a handle on how things work, before going out and changing a lot.

The AZ hive that is used in Slovenia uses frames that are slightly larger than the Langstroth deep frames. This may seem minor, but there are a lot of caveats that make it a much bigger consideration on deeper evaluation. It is easy to take for granted how convenient it is to have interchangable parts readily available from every beekeeping supply company you can find. This is certainly the biggest drawback to using an AZ hive. I was determined to work around this roadblock to a certain degree. I knew this would mean building my own equipment or paying dearly for it to have already assembled. SInce, I’ve really grown to enjoy woodworking this “inconvenience” actually was an exciting prospect. The one roadblock I was not willing to bear was having to get different extracting equipment and go way out of my way to interchange frames with my langstroth equipment – which still comprises the vast majority of my hives. Fortunately I found a great Facebook group called AZ hive creators. A place to design and build AZ hives. I was able to find plans for a AZ style hive that was configured to use langstroth sized frames.

This idea was a huge boost to my project because it meant I would be able to use the same extracting equipment and with slight temporary modifications to the AZ style frames I would be able to start my AZ hives in my existing langstroth equipment (making splits and nucs with that equipment). Another deviation that these plans took from the traditional slovenian hive was a third layer of frames. I found this to be pretty appealing for the conditions in Southwestern Illinois where May, June, and July nectar flows can be heavy and explosive. The extra room would certainly be something to be apprecriated in those conditions. Time will tell, but I could also see this being useful in overwintering two queens in one hive or using a two queen systems to capitalize on brief, yet desireable nectar flows. At any rate, I settled on the plans provided in this facebook group and I think they will foot the bill. As I’m going through the project, one modification I would probably make is recalculating the pieces that use 1 inch width (mainly surrounding the front “dead air space”) It would just be a lot simpler to have recalculated those to fit readily available milled lumber as opposed to making special cuts.

And so begins my project! After weeks of studying the plans I dove in. This first post is going to show the construction of the main hive body. I settled on making this with 3/4 inch plywood. I went to my local home depot and had them cut the sheet into pieces that reflected each of the faces of the hive- with the exception of the back, which will be a like a cabinet door made out of 1 x lumber. Many of the measurements from the plans were down to the 1/8 of an inch. The Home Depot employee was a little reluctant to cut with that accuracy, so I had him cut each side a little longer than the plan and then trimmed to precision with my table saw.

Trimming the hive body pieces with table saw

After trimming the pieces up, I began laying everything out and cutting dadoes to piece everything together and grooves for the steel rods that the frames sit as well as the bars that hold the inner screens. Another variation made away from the Facebook plans was to buy stamped frame spacers instead of cutting those intricate little shapes out twelve times. I found some stamped metal spacers at very reasonable price from a website called, of all things AZframespacers.com. I also cut some aluminum angle stock to support the queen excluder and slatted board. These are necessary in this design because, without them, the space between tiers of frames is too much and the bees would likely build burr comb in those larger spaces.

Laying out the dadoes and grooves

After all of that assembly was pretty straightforward, although the size of the pieces made it pretty cumbersome. I glued each of the joints with titebond 3 and then fastened them all together with 1 1/4 inch construction screws. As an added layer of weather protection I rubbed the entire exterior surface down with boiled linseed oil. I think this is an added layer of weather protection that you can utilize on top of whatever paint or stain you would choose to finish your hive with. All in all, I’m pretty pleased with how this project is progressing. The next steps are going to be building the inner screens and the back door. Stay tuned for more updates.

Completed hive body

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2022 AZ Hive build project- Introduction

I have been fascinated by the Slovenian AZ hive nearly as long as I have kept bees. I was intrigued by this design which touted less disturbance to the bees and therefore generally a gentler beekeeping experience. I also liked the idea of a hive that involved less lifting than the US standard langstroth hive. And, naturally, my slovenian heritage lended to more intrigue than some other hive designs (top bar, layens) that accomplish many of the same things.

When I began beekeeping I got all langstroth equipment, and this would be my recommendation for anyone new beekeeper, at least in the United States. It is just a lot easier to learn on the equipment format that is so readily available and that all of your peers are using. After I gained a few years of experience I felt like I had learned the nuances of beekeeping at a more macro level and was ready to try a new experiment. I’m creating a series of posts over the coming year that will chronicle this experiment.

I’ll go through the design and build of my first hive in the winter of 2022, introduction of bees in the spring, and build up of the colony throughout the beekeeping year.